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no it isn’t

The how to is of course naturally complicated and really DOES differ for each individual, though

5:09 PM

That can't change, the best we could do is drop all instruction entirely and only describe the result (in terms of "keeping it simple and understandable for everyone", not that this is necessarily what we should do) (edited)

Error 🧶

no it isn’t

It is. Describing what the phenomenon is is just a random rationalization for an experience.

5:10 PM

Different people will come up with different ones from the same experience, and different people will attribute different ones to the same experience.

Describing subjective experiences objectively isn't particularly easy. Or even especially possible..

i'm not confused by what lumi says, and it does seem to me like he's describing how it feels

switching is literally just changing the primary thinker. Think how it feels to be the host, when a tulpa is in that position they switched. I don’t understand how you don’t get that

doesn't seem ambiguous to me

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

i'm not confused by what lumi says, and it does seem to me like he's describing how it feels

Hmmm... Im not reading it correctly then.

let's say there is a "witness" in your mind, it's basically what observes mind and the world from the first person

5:11 PM

it's not a person, just a function

Error 🧶

switching is literally just changing the primary thinker. Think how it feels to be the host, when a tulpa is in that position they switched. I don’t understand how you don’t get that

I know what switching is, i can switch.

host is the witness since birth

5:12 PM

tulpa appears, and tulpa is in the mind

Error 🧶

switching is literally just changing the primary thinker. Think how it feels to be the host, when a tulpa is in that position they switched. I don’t understand how you don’t get that

By the way, that definition you just used allows what you told before its not possible.

it's in 3rd person relative to the witness

5:12 PM

tulpa can take the witness role, then the host is 3rd person relative to the witness

that’s the definition. It’s very clear. The host and tulpa switch positions. There shouldn’t be any other definitions

5:13 PM

By the way, that definition you just used allows what you told before its not possible.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump I don’t believe I have?

Luminesce: Equating our experiences of purely internal, subjective phenomena is often hard and imperfect, but I always appreciate the effort. That's what the practice of "Tulpamancy" is founded on. (edited)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

tulpa can take the witness role, then the host is 3rd person relative to the witness

Okey, i can see it makes more sense worded like that

: )

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

: )

What a long face

'power' defines the raising a base number to the exponent vs 'power' says how many times you have to multiple same number by itself

im confused as to what I said that is apparently impossible

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

'power' defines the raising a base number to the exponent vs 'power' says how many times you have to multiple same number by itself

until you have a power of 4.2 and you have to extrapolate

5:16 PM

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@Makikikikiki How did it go?

Error 🧶

im confused as to what I said that is apparently impossible

I meant that if as you said, switching is changing the primary thinker, then you can switch without possession (which you said was not switching).

You all get so caught up on semantics

5:18 PM

Maybe everyone has their own unique experience? I feel like arguing literally never yields any productive results.

I meant that if as you said, switching is changing the primary thinker, then you can switch without possession (which you said was not switching).

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump I never said you can switch without possession, in fact I said the exact opposite

Luminesce: Even though Error agrees with my description, we even then differ apparently in thinking possession has anything to do with it (in our eyes and the majority of the community's in the past, they're wholly unrelated skills) (edited)

Error 🧶

I meant that if as you said, switching is changing the primary thinker, then you can switch without possession (which you said was not switching).

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump I never said you can switch without possession, in fact I said the exact opposite

Read again

But figuring out how to describe and compare our subjective internal experiences is really what tulpamancy is founded on. Try not to feel defeated by it

part of being the primary thinker is being able to be in control of everything, it’s not just thinking

Yuka

@Makikikikiki How did it go?

I had a huge moment of stress so I didn't try it yet

Error 🧶

part of being the primary thinker is being able to be in control of everything, it’s not just thinking

Then noone can be the primary thinker in a tulpa system

(as they dont control their headmates) (edited)

????

5:22 PM

I mean, right now I told everyone to shut up and they shut up so

let labelers label

It's possible to do the primary thinking while another headmate is in primary control of the body, buuut, just try to understand Error meant full control and not only control of thoughts

If one person is in control of one thing and another is in control of something else that’s either co fronting or possession, I wouldn’t call that switching

If i switch with my tulpa and then i possess my tulpa the tulpa will experience being switched in (or being fronting) but not having control

(edited)

Yeah, basically

correct

Luminesce: Unrelated related note, "fronting" is used as an umbrella term at least in this community for whoever's the most responsible for what the body is doing at that time, whether they're switched or just possessing (edited)

5:29 PM

It doesn't refer to any specific state of switched/possessed/etc.

Error 🧶

correct

But that woudnt be switching.

You seem deeply confused..

if the tulpa and host are switched then the host can possess the same way a tulpa would have

Luminesce: If I switched with Tewi right now, and she made the choice to never think of me or the others in our system ever again, she would go on living the rest of this body's life as the "person" who the body was. She would be no different from any other person who'd never practiced plurality. (edited)

5:35 PM

But in possession, a tulpa is taking control of the body like a passenger in a car reaching over to grab the steering wheel.

guys can you keep it simple and just use this graph to explain whaty ou mean, desting will get it immediatelly

Error 🧶

if the tulpa and host are switched then the host can possess the same way a tulpa would have

And yet if you are thinking but not controlling the body then its not switching, right like the state you are in when you switch with your tulpa and possess it.

ok you can also use this one, more western

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

guys can you keep it simple and just use this graph to explain whaty ou mean, desting will get it immediatelly

I prefer this one

And yet if you are thinking but not controlling the body then its not switching, right like the state you are in when you switch with your tulpa and possess it.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump you are irritating me now

5:39 PM

like, are you trying to be dumb just to irritate me or you do you genuinely don’t understand this

Error 🧶

And yet if you are thinking but not controlling the body then its not switching, right like the state you are in when you switch with your tulpa and possess it.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump you are irritating me now

Error, im literally just slightly bending your words so you contradict yourself. (Without cheating, all my statements were completely logical)

5:42 PM

I was joking, Im sorry if it irritated you

when you are switched in, you have control. Usually the host is in control. When the host has a tulpa possess that doesn’t take away the host’s control. When a tulpa is switched in and let’s someone else possess it’s the exact same

5:43 PM

I don’t understand how you don’t get how switching is the exact same roles and abilities as normal but the system members have swapped around.

5:43 PM

this is basic fucking shit, like holy shit.

Error read what i just told you please. (edited)

im not rusty

5:44 PM

Rusty isn’t even here

Sorry, copied from "Rusty is writing..." Thing

5:44 PM

im a mess

I have not contradicted myself at all.

5:45 PM

when you let someone possess you are still the one in control

5:45 PM

you are still fronting

Luminesce: The terms switching and possession get screwy all the time as people say random stuff about them without knowing what the community has settled on as descriptions, so it's best if you not mess around when people try to say what they are. Newbies get confused enough as-is (edited)

great wars started for less severe misunderstandings than this one

I get confused because the terms have gotten more refined since I was last around

Error 🧶

I have not contradicted myself at all.

If i possess my tulpa i have to have switched for that to happen, therefore being switched without possession makes sense as it is the same state as switching and then possessing your tulpa (see what im doing now?)

abandon all terms five fiction while you can

5:48 PM

focus on inner experience, not on maps that people draw for themselves

5:48 PM

cartography is a cute hobby

5:49 PM

very addicting one, too

people will fight about whose map is better

If i possess my tulpa i have to have switched for that to happen, therefore being switched without possession makes sense as it is the same state as switching and then possessing your tulpa (see what im doing now?)

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump no what the fuck are you even saying

Error 🧶

If i possess my tulpa i have to have switched for that to happen, therefore being switched without possession makes sense as it is the same state as switching and then possessing your tulpa (see what im doing now?)

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump no what the fuck are you even saying

Error, i was joking, forget it, its okey.

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

people will fight about whose map is better

When they are not even making maps of the same terrain lol.

5:50 PM

Im sorry for irritating you.

I was simply stating that you cannot switch in without being able to move the body. The person fronting needs to be able to control the body in order for it to be fronting

5:51 PM

you can switch in and let someone else possess

Error 🧶

I was simply stating that you cannot switch in without being able to move the body. The person fronting needs to be able to control the body in order for it to be fronting

And i was pointing out that depending how i interpret those words i can reach any conclussion i want.

just call "switched in" state "the boss" and it all will be clear

Luminesce: Destin was saying doing one thing and then the second thing is the same as doing the second thing and then the one thing (edited)

5:52 PM

The states might be true, but the process of getting there isn't and that was pretty nonsensical

Solid point tictac

i hate all of you

Basically where I’m at now. There’s no ‘right way’ really eh?

Im sorry error

Luminesce I had a stroke reading that wat

Basically where I’m at now. There’s no ‘right way’ really eh?

@fourfiction - jump there is no right way and everything is the right way